Shade Plantain at Kowen, ACT
Identification history
| Plantago debilis | 6 Dec 2016 | BettyDonWood | ||
| Plantago debilis | 6 Dec 2016 | BettyDonWood | ||
| Plantago gaudichaudii | 19 Nov 2016 | JanetRussell |
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8 comments
BettyDonWood
wrote:
20 Nov 2016
Probably OK. However, from what I can see, the leaves appear to have more than the three veins typical of Plantsgo gaudichaudii. Janet, plantago is difficult to ID even holding the plant in the hand. Closeups of leaves, stem and flowers, plus field notes of the colour of the hairs at the bases of the leaves, would make it a lot easier.
JanetRussell
wrote:
20 Nov 2016
Thanks Betty. This was a bit of a punt as it was taken on ANPS Conference trip to Kowen last year. I thought that the flowers seemed rather long. I saw some P. gaudichaudi in Victoria recently and have been interested in Plantago mainly because it seemed to take so long for me to find my first non-native.
JanetRussell
wrote:
21 Nov 2016
Betty, I had a look at another photo and I checked Plantnet and if 3 veins are definitive, it looks more like Plantago varia. I cannot see enough detail to answer your questions to be any more definitive.
BettyDonWood
wrote:
21 Nov 2016
The length:width ratio of the leaves is atypical for Plantago varia I am inclined to call it Plantago sp.
JanetRussell
wrote:
22 Nov 2016
Andy has expressed an interest in going out to Kowen so will check it out.
BettyDonWood
wrote:
7 Dec 2016
Could you upload the extra photos you sent me to this sighting please. With the extra information in those photos it keys to Plantago debilis in both PlantNET and VicFlora. The hairy leaves and hairless keel on the flower sepals both indicate it is Plantago debilis. The flower spike in Plantago debilis can elongate to 30 cm according to Vicflora.
VicFlora https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/7d485b7a-720d-422e-8a80-90dd5e6715ae
VicFlora https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/7d485b7a-720d-422e-8a80-90dd5e6715ae
JanetRussell
wrote:
7 Dec 2016
Thanks very much Betty. It's more robust than I thought the P. debilis would be!
Location information
- Coordinates 149.349350-35.324994
- Altitude 732.0m
- Maps Kowen Woodland
- Places Kowen, ACT
Sighting information
- 4 - 15 Abundance
- 18 Nov 2015 03:17 PM Recorded on
- JanetRussell Recorded by
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Additional information
- 10cm to 30cm Plant height
Species information
- Plantago debilis Scientific name
- Shade Plantain Common name
- Not Sensitive
- Local native
- Non-invasive or negligible
- Up to 1111.2m Recorded at altitude
- Machine learning
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In flower
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