A Parrot-pea at Bungendore, NSW
Identification history
| Dillwynia phylicoides | 16 Oct 2023 | natureguy | ||
| Dillwynia sericea | 16 Oct 2023 | CarbonAI | ||
| Dillwynia phylicoides | 15 Oct 2023 | clarehoneydove |
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12 comments
clarehoneydove
wrote:
16 Oct 2023
What would you need photos for?! Haha. Dont know what happened there
natureguy
wrote:
17 Oct 2023
I have to say I'm not particularly convinced about this, this looks very much like some plants I've found around my place that I'd tentatively ID'ed as D. phylicoides as well and was confirmed Dillwynia phylicoides (A Parrot-pea) - In contrast to the common D. sericea around here, these shrubs are much larger and higher (~50cm or higher, like a proper "shrub"), rather than short (I find D. sericea to not really get much above 30cm - even that is quite high for it). The hairiness, as well as the small leaves sticking out ~90 degrees rather than appressed against the stem also doesn't seem to suit D. sericea. I agree they are a bit odd perhaps but just wondering if you had any more thoughts on this @Tapirlord?
clarehoneydove
wrote:
17 Oct 2023
It is a much bigger bush than all our other egg and bacon peas hence why I took some photos thinking a new species for my list!
Tapirlord
wrote:
18 Oct 2023
My mistake, both plants should be D.sericea. A little embarrassing as I had looked at it twice, but these things happen. I will amend that record from your place.
Your comments regarding D.sericea, whilst I agree that some of them apply generally, are not supported by the descriptions of D.sericea on Plantnet or Vicflora. This species is capable of attaining over a metre in height, and the stem hairs may be appressed or dense and spreading as in this specimen. Regarding the leaves, they may be appressed to the stem, but if this is the case it is often associated with new growth. Otherwise it is not uncommon to see D.sericea with leaves at 90 degree angles from the stem. Take Dillwynia sericea (Egg And Bacon Peas) which shows both.
I wouldn't be surprised to find misidentifications if you were to review our treatment of both species. I wasn't particuarly good at seperating them when i started out. For D.sericea generally it is worth keeping in mind that this species covers a vast range and is highly variable, it has many subsp under current revision.
Your comments regarding D.sericea, whilst I agree that some of them apply generally, are not supported by the descriptions of D.sericea on Plantnet or Vicflora. This species is capable of attaining over a metre in height, and the stem hairs may be appressed or dense and spreading as in this specimen. Regarding the leaves, they may be appressed to the stem, but if this is the case it is often associated with new growth. Otherwise it is not uncommon to see D.sericea with leaves at 90 degree angles from the stem. Take Dillwynia sericea (Egg And Bacon Peas) which shows both.
I wouldn't be surprised to find misidentifications if you were to review our treatment of both species. I wasn't particuarly good at seperating them when i started out. For D.sericea generally it is worth keeping in mind that this species covers a vast range and is highly variable, it has many subsp under current revision.
natureguy
wrote:
18 Oct 2023
Okay interesting - not that I don't trust you or anything but I'm still not particularly convinced here. I'd be keen for you to have a look at the ones I have at my place one day actually. The "typical" D. sericea I have on my block is quite widespread throughout and appears very different to me in most ways compared to these other plants which are only in a few localities. Of specific note to me is the short leaves (more like 3-8mm than 5-20mm), which are also covered with short hairs (definitely not glabrous or with sparse long hairs). The flowers don't seem particularly paired to me compared to what I'd be used to on other D. sericea. But happy to leave it here for the moment and perhaps sort it out more later especially if the taxonomy is under review. Otherwise I can also collect a specimen.
clarehoneydove
wrote:
18 Oct 2023
They seem to be a different colouring too. These seem like a brighter yellow (with red) where the other egg and bacons around my place which are smaller have an orange to them and the colour blends a little more..not sure that makes sense as I am far from an expert and also understand there is a wide variety of subspecies which can make them have such variety. Interesting discussion :)
I will also add these had a denser canopy cover whereas the others are in more open areas...
I will also add these had a denser canopy cover whereas the others are in more open areas...
owenh
wrote:
18 Oct 2023
Is this really not D. phylicoides as @natureguy had previously confirmed? From what can be seen by the casual observer in image 3, the leaves look 'linear, channelled and spirally twisted' to me - as described and photo'd by Meredith Cosgrove in the 'Photographic Guide to Native Plants of the Australian Capital Territory.'
Tapirlord
wrote:
19 Oct 2023
Luke is correct, leaves are spirally twisted and D.phylicoides is the only Dillwynia to do this in our region apologies for the drama.
Location information
- Maps QPRC LGA
- Places Bungendore, NSW
Sighting information
- 10 Abundance
- 26 Sep 2023 01:21 PM Recorded on
- clarehoneydove Recorded by
Additional information
- 30cm to 1 metre Plant height
- True In flower
Species information
- Dillwynia phylicoides Scientific name
- A Parrot-pea Common name
- Not Sensitive
- Local native
- Non-Invasive
- Up to 1323m Recorded at altitude
- 185 images trained Machine learning
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In flower
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Synonyms
Dillwynia retorta var. phylicoides
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- Confirmed by an expert moderator
- Nearby sighting(s) of same species
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