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Sisyromyia sp. (genus)

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Sisyromyia sp. (genus) at Gibraltar Pines - 7 Nov 2019
Sisyromyia sp. (genus) at Gibraltar Pines - 7 Nov 2019
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Identification history

Sisyromyia sp. (genus) 8 Nov 2019 MichaelMulvaney
Sisyromyia sp. (genus) 7 Nov 2019 jgl
Bombyliidae sp. (family) 7 Nov 2019 DPRees125

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DPRees125 wrote:
   8 Nov 2019
I think we can go further, had a look at what is on ALA and it seems to me that a good match for this specimen is a member of the genus Sisyromyia
jgl wrote:
   8 Nov 2019
I've asked Xuankun Li, one of the world experts on this group, and Sisyromyia happens to be correct (he thinks Sisyromyia thomsoni based on the location). However, I'd be disinclined to confirm this ID based on ALA alone as there's a lot of unreliable image ID's on there...

For example, search for 'Bombyliinae' on ALA. Look under the 'Classification' tab - you'll see the genus 'Bombylius Linnaeus, 1758'. Click on this genus and open the gallery - you'll see an image under 'Types', and 6 images under 'Images', the first (from the left) of which shows a Formosia (Euamphibolia) nr. speciosa (actually in family Tachinidae). The next 3 images show 3 different bombyliids, none of which are Bombylius (present day definition); in fact Bombylius is a European and North American genus which is not known to be present in Australia. The last two images were taken in Canada and I've no idea if they're correctly ID'd.

I'm just making a point that you have to be very careful when making genus ID's based on browsing ALA - sometimes its extremely helpful and can send you in the right direction (to find a more reliable source), but you should always be wary of non-type image ID's which have been aggregated from the Flickr (or similar sites) of private individuals.

Cheers
DPRees125 wrote:
   8 Nov 2019
So you have asked an authority on these flies and he thinks that is a reasonable answer and then you say that ALA is unreliable (which it may well be) and somehow the view of that person, who may have extra info and experience available to them, is questionable, interesting logic....
jgl wrote:
   8 Nov 2019
My apologies, that was poorly phrased, what I meant is:

- I've asked Xuankun Li, one of the world experts on this group, what he thinks this specimen is.

- He asked the location of the sighting, and when I told him ACT, he said Sisyromyia thomsoni.

- Now, in the event that i had not been able to get in contact with Dr Li and ask his opinion, then I wouldn't have been confident enough to confirm that this observation was Sisyromyia, based solely on the images shown on the 'Sisyromyia' ALA galley, especially given that there are no 'Type' images available there.

- World experts can be hard to pin down every time something like this comes up, and I'm not saying we need to consult one each time, but I simply wanted to draw attention to the fact that ALA can be unreliable, and is risky to use as a sole authority, especially without 'Type' images.

Does this make more sense?
DPRees125 wrote:
   8 Nov 2019
Yes, I am more than aware of the lack of experts in this space and that ALA contains questionable material. One does wonder what its host (CSIRO) does about cleaning it up? Thank you for your trouble to date.

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Tebenna micalis (Vagrant Twitcher or Small Thistle Moth) at Gibraltar Pines - 8 Mar 2021 by melanoxylon
Goniaea australasiae (Gumleaf grasshopper) at Gibraltar Pines - 8 Mar 2021 by melanoxylon
Phasmida sp. (order) (Unidentified stick insect) at Gibraltar Pines - 8 Mar 2021 by melanoxylon
Amelora leucaniata (Striped Cape-moth) at Gibraltar Pines - 8 Mar 2021 by JohnBundock
Heteronympha penelope (Shouldered Brown) at Gibraltar Pines - 8 Mar 2021 by melanoxylon
Anachloris subochraria (Golden Grass Carpet) at Gibraltar Pines - 8 Mar 2021 by melanoxylon
Gynoplistia sp. (genus) (Crane fly) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2021 by tpreston
Myosotis discolor (Yellow and Blue Forget-me-not) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2021 by tpreston
Lepidoscia (genus) (Unidentified cone case moth) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2021 by tpreston
Gahnia subaequiglumis (Bog Saw-sedge) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2021 by tpreston
Acripeza reticulata (Mountain Katydid) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2021 by tpreston
Chrysolarentia heliacaria (Heliacaria Carpet) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2021 by tpreston
Arthropodium milleflorum (Vanilla Lily) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2021 by tpreston
Eulamprus heatwolei (Yellow-bellied Water-skink) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2021 by tpreston
Utricularia dichotoma (Fairy Aprons, Purple Bladderwort) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2021 by tpreston
Geranium neglectum (Red-stemmed cranesbill) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2021 by tpreston
Plebs bradleyi (Enamelled Spider) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2021 by tpreston
Carex fascicularis (Tassel Sedge) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2021 by tpreston
Centipeda cunninghamii (Common Sneezeweed) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2021 by tpreston
Baeckea utilis (Mountain Baeckea) at Gibraltar Pines - 25 Jan 2021 by MatthewFrawley
Nyctemera amicus (Senecio or Magpie moth) at Gibraltar Pines - 25 Jan 2021 by MatthewFrawley
Tipulidae or Limoniidae sp. (family) (Unidentified Crane Fly) at Gibraltar Pines - 25 Jan 2021 by MatthewFrawley
Exoneura sp. (genus) (A reed bee) at Gibraltar Pines - 25 Jan 2021 by MatthewFrawley
Heteronympha cordace (Bright-eyed Brown) at Gibraltar Pines - 25 Jan 2021 by MatthewFrawley
Hesthesis montana (A wasp mimic longhorn beetle) at Gibraltar Pines - 9 Dec 2020 by Harrisi
Junonia villida (Meadow Argus) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2020 by SandraH
Vanessa kershawi (Australian Painted Lady) at Gibraltar Pines - 23 Feb 2020 by SandraH
Platybrachys sp. (genus) (A gum hopper) at Gibraltar Pines - 15 Nov 2019 by Marthijn
Synthemis eustalacta (Swamp Tigertail) at Gibraltar Pines - 24 Feb 2019 by MatthewFrawley
Synthemis eustalacta (Swamp Tigertail) at Gibraltar Pines - 8 Jan 2019 by MatthewFrawley
Heteronympha cordace (Bright-eyed Brown) at Gibraltar Pines - 8 Jan 2019 by MatthewFrawley

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Species information

  • Not Sensitive
  • Local Native
  • Non-Invasive

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  • 1 - 3 Abundance
  • 7 Nov 2019 12:53 PM Recorded on
  • DPRees125 Recorded by

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  • 5mm to 12mm Animal size

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