Many-flowered Matrush at Franklin, ACT
Identification history
| Lomandra multiflora | 17 Nov 2024 | Tapirlord | ||
| Lomandra longifolia | 16 Nov 2024 | CarbonAI | ||
| Lomandra sp. | 16 Nov 2024 | dwise |
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14 comments
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
wrote:
17 Nov 2024
Please check regarding *Lomandra glauca* (rather than *Lomandra multiflora*) .
Ref's (in brief without citations) :
• https://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=gn&name=Lomandra
• https://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Lomandra~glauca
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Ref's (in brief without citations) :
• https://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=gn&name=Lomandra
• https://plantnet.rbgsyd.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/NSWfl.pl?page=nswfl&lvl=sp&name=Lomandra~glauca
.
Tapirlord
wrote:
17 Nov 2024
There is no question of the ID, there are numerous reasons so briefly. Lomandra glauca doesn't form these large tussocks, rather in grows in clusters or tufts or along runner stems with cauline leaves. The foliage in L.glauca, as the name suggests, should be glaucous which isn't true for the depicted plants. This plant is in a grassland rather than heath or dry forest. L.glauca doesn't occur in the ACT.
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
wrote:
17 Nov 2024
Okay, thanks for that.
Do any more species have inflorescences like this ?
Do any more species have inflorescences like this ?
Tapirlord
wrote:
21 Nov 2024
Not locally no. L.patens from the central west looks a bit similar in bud from experience
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
wrote:
21 Nov 2024
I suggest:
Well, these flowers do not botanically key out to *Lomandra multiflora* (either as male or as female flowers) nor come within the circumscription of it (species taxon concept in multiple descriptions such as Flora of NSW, Flora of Au, etc.) .
Please have a close look into the full resolution of photographs two and three, these are not buds they're open flowers in a different inflorescence to *Lomandra multiflora* .
Well, these flowers do not botanically key out to *Lomandra multiflora* (either as male or as female flowers) nor come within the circumscription of it (species taxon concept in multiple descriptions such as Flora of NSW, Flora of Au, etc.) .
Please have a close look into the full resolution of photographs two and three, these are not buds they're open flowers in a different inflorescence to *Lomandra multiflora* .
Tapirlord
wrote:
21 Nov 2024
Jason respectfully I disagree. I keyed this fairly easily to L.multiflora.
1) Leaves not distinctly toothed at apex, with entire, acute or rounded apex, or with 2 or 3 irregular minute points near the apex eroding at maturity, occasionally persisting in Lomandra filiformis subsp. filiformis and L. coriacea
2) Flowers in distinct clusters, male flowers sessile to long pedicellate
3) Bracts subtending flowers entire or only slightly split; inflorescence not as above
4) Tepals divided to base
5) Inflorescence simple or few- to many-branched, the axes minutely rough, scape not flattened; male flowers usually 2–3 mm long, pedicellate at anthesis, pedicel 3–8 mm long
That's what I got in Plantnet. See what you think.
1) Leaves not distinctly toothed at apex, with entire, acute or rounded apex, or with 2 or 3 irregular minute points near the apex eroding at maturity, occasionally persisting in Lomandra filiformis subsp. filiformis and L. coriacea
2) Flowers in distinct clusters, male flowers sessile to long pedicellate
3) Bracts subtending flowers entire or only slightly split; inflorescence not as above
4) Tepals divided to base
5) Inflorescence simple or few- to many-branched, the axes minutely rough, scape not flattened; male flowers usually 2–3 mm long, pedicellate at anthesis, pedicel 3–8 mm long
That's what I got in Plantnet. See what you think.
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
wrote:
21 Nov 2024
PlantNet *Lomandra multiflora* description of inflorescences, including flowers and more parts of the inflorescence :
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Male inflorescence 1- or 2-branched or rarely unbranched; scape shorter than the rachis, not flattened; flower clusters whorled.
Female inflorescence similar, unbranched.
Male flowers on pedicels usually 3–8 mm long, always distinctly exceeding bracts at anthesis.
Female flowers larger, sessile.
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Male inflorescence 1- or 2-branched or rarely unbranched; scape shorter than the rachis, not flattened; flower clusters whorled.
Female inflorescence similar, unbranched.
Male flowers on pedicels usually 3–8 mm long, always distinctly exceeding bracts at anthesis.
Female flowers larger, sessile.
"
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AaronClausen
wrote:
21 Nov 2024
Watching this epic, healthy and constructive discussion with keen interest! Love your work @Tapirlord @JasonPStewartNMsnc2016 - amazing watching the process you guys go through.
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
wrote:
21 Nov 2024
Okay Aaron.
*Lomandra* in this Australasian region are a taxonomy moving feast at the moment of this decade or so.
Most of thanks to the awesome work of awesome Jian Wang from both the Brisbane Herbarium and from China :
• https://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=Lomandra&as_occt=title&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5
• https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jian-Wang-143
Thus unusual *Lomandra* plants warrant this extra attention, and extra thorough care in checking identifications .
Jian Wang 2024 August quotation :
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jian-Wang-143/publication/383498467_Lomandra_macfarlanei_Asparagaceae_Lomandroideae_a_new_species_from_the_Northern_Territory_Australia/links/66d047122390e50b2c1d7ec9/Lomandra-macfarlanei-Asparagaceae-Lomandroideae-a-new-species-from-the-Northern-Territory-Australia.pdf
"
...
the Australian *L. multiflora* species group that currently includes five closely related taxa:
• L. decomposita (R.Br.) Jian Wang ter & A.R.Bean,
• L. multiflora (R.Br.) Britten subsp. multiflora,
• L. multiflora subsp. dura (F.Muell.) T.D.Macfarl.,
• L. patens A.T.Lee and
• L. ramosissima Jian Wang ter.
...
" [i spread the taxa out in bullet points for easier reading ].
*Lomandra* in this Australasian region are a taxonomy moving feast at the moment of this decade or so.
Most of thanks to the awesome work of awesome Jian Wang from both the Brisbane Herbarium and from China :
• https://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_q=Lomandra&as_occt=title&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5
• https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jian-Wang-143
Thus unusual *Lomandra* plants warrant this extra attention, and extra thorough care in checking identifications .
Jian Wang 2024 August quotation :
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jian-Wang-143/publication/383498467_Lomandra_macfarlanei_Asparagaceae_Lomandroideae_a_new_species_from_the_Northern_Territory_Australia/links/66d047122390e50b2c1d7ec9/Lomandra-macfarlanei-Asparagaceae-Lomandroideae-a-new-species-from-the-Northern-Territory-Australia.pdf
"
...
the Australian *L. multiflora* species group that currently includes five closely related taxa:
• L. decomposita (R.Br.) Jian Wang ter & A.R.Bean,
• L. multiflora (R.Br.) Britten subsp. multiflora,
• L. multiflora subsp. dura (F.Muell.) T.D.Macfarl.,
• L. patens A.T.Lee and
• L. ramosissima Jian Wang ter.
...
" [i spread the taxa out in bullet points for easier reading ].
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
wrote:
21 Nov 2024
Ciaran @Tapirlord Yes, so in the second and third photographs we can roughly see the inferred female flowers.
Looking not entirely clear (no fault of the fine photographs of the photographer) whether their tepals are really divided to base or fused in the lower half.
I can make out some visual suggestion evidence of divided to base and some visual suggestion of fusing right at the base.
Along with these very short inflorescences nestled in the leaves' bases, albeit fitting in other aspects with the broad sense (at least) of species *Lomandra multiflora*.
The infructescence (fruiting structure) rachis will grow out longer in growing fruits .
In the context (again), of many overlooked *Lomandra* undescribed taxa across this continent .
Looking not entirely clear (no fault of the fine photographs of the photographer) whether their tepals are really divided to base or fused in the lower half.
I can make out some visual suggestion evidence of divided to base and some visual suggestion of fusing right at the base.
Along with these very short inflorescences nestled in the leaves' bases, albeit fitting in other aspects with the broad sense (at least) of species *Lomandra multiflora*.
The infructescence (fruiting structure) rachis will grow out longer in growing fruits .
In the context (again), of many overlooked *Lomandra* undescribed taxa across this continent .
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
wrote:
21 Nov 2024
@AaronClausen NatureMapr community, we, may like to do a project to more carefully and extensively photograph botanical diagnostic features, including when necessary some macro photographs' close-ups of flowers,
of many Lomandra individual plants and many taxa ...,
in support of the awesome work by Jian Wang and co. (?) .
of many Lomandra individual plants and many taxa ...,
in support of the awesome work by Jian Wang and co. (?) .
Tapirlord
wrote:
22 Nov 2024
Hi Jason, i believe the tepals are divided at the base, it is tricky to see but there are a few good instances of this in the photos. I think what is catching us up is this plant having young inflorescence such that the majority of flowers are still developing. To be honest with you I am confident with our treatment of Lomandra on Canberra Nature Map. I don't see that there is a need for review in this area at the moment using the publicly accessible treatments. The genus is well known across the tablelands with a pretty comprehensive array of local material in herbaria. Very happy to incorporate newly described taxa and/or undescribed taxa with phrase names where they become relevant to our region. We can do this case by case as necessary.
JasonPStewartNMsnc2016
wrote:
22 Nov 2024
Yeah, yet of course i'm talking about more of Au than merely Canberra region and the NSW southern tablelands region .
gregbaines
wrote:
22 Nov 2024
I just want to second Aaron's comment and thank you both for a wonderfully informative discussion.
Location information
- Coordinates 149.145553-35.205347
- Altitude 605.4m
- Maps Budjan Galindji (Franklin Grassland) Reserve
- Places Franklin, ACT
Sighting information
- 1 Abundance
- 3 Nov 2024 11:24 AM Recorded on
- dwise Recorded by
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Collections
Plants Rushes, Sedges & Mat Rushes dwise
Additional information
- 30cm to 1 metre Plant height
- True In flower
Species information
- Lomandra multiflora Scientific name
- Many-flowered Matrush Common name
- Not Sensitive
- Local native
- Non-invasive or negligible
- Up to 1027.06m Recorded at altitude
- 328 images trained Machine learning
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In flower
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Synonyms
Lomandra multiflora
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- Nearby sighting(s) of same species
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