Dark Euteliid at Ainslie, ACT
Identification history
| Pataeta carbo | 29 Feb 2020 | ibaird | ||
| Pataeta carbo | 29 Feb 2020 | jb2602 |
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Darker version, fluttering its wings to expose the hindwing which is white with a black border.
7 comments
jb2602
wrote:
1 Mar 2020
Bold Systems list two species Pataeta carbo and P. conspicienda and Australian Faunal Directory states that these are synonyms. MOV suggests that there is DNA evidence for more species. I am wondering if there has been any advancement on this subject and is it possible to differentiate between the sexes from appearance?
donhe
wrote:
2 Mar 2020
Guenée described and named the species Pataeta carbo from only a single damaged specimen that had lost its palps, antennae, and abdomen, so he could not determine the sex of the holotype !
Walker also described only one specimen, naming it P. conspicienda, which he said was male, but was later found to be a female !
Ted Edwards in the 1996 Checklist put Pataeta carbo and P. conspicienda into synonomy.
I can see no superficial differences between the sexes illustrated in MOV8.
Walker also described only one specimen, naming it P. conspicienda, which he said was male, but was later found to be a female !
Ted Edwards in the 1996 Checklist put Pataeta carbo and P. conspicienda into synonomy.
I can see no superficial differences between the sexes illustrated in MOV8.
GlennCocking
wrote:
6 Jul 2020
The shape of the abdomen usually tells the sex, eg this is a male and your 4257014 is a female
donhe
wrote:
6 Jul 2020
Has BOLD found DNA differences suggesting whether there are 1 or 2 species ?
GlennCocking
wrote:
6 Jul 2020
As I read BOLD's BIN info, there is a difference, but not a big one.Their Pataeta specimens have been put into 2 BINS, one mostly dark and one mostly light. Obviously the individual specimens would have to be studied carefully before a conclusion could be drawn.
donhe
wrote:
7 Jul 2020
So are we going to treat them as synonyms, and just use Guenée's senior P. carbo, or separate the paler ones into P. conspicienda?
GlennCocking
wrote:
7 Jul 2020
I think we should leave them together as separating them just on light/dark wouldn't be very accurate. The notes on the species page describe the situation.
Location information
- Coordinates 149.152032-35.259251
- Places Ainslie, ACT
Sighting information
- 1 Abundance
- 28 Feb 2020 08:15 PM Recorded on
- jb2602 Recorded by
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Insects Noctuoid moths (except Arctiinae) Moths (Lepidoptera) jb2602 Canberra & Southern Tablelands NatureMapr
Additional information
- 12mm to 25mm Animal size
Species information
- Pataeta carbo Scientific name
- Dark Euteliid Common name
- Not Sensitive
- Local native
- Non-invasive or negligible
- Up to 651.6m Recorded at altitude
- Machine learning
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