Plantago debilis

Shade Plantain at Kowen, ACT

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Identification history

Plantago debilis	6 Dec 2016	BettyDonWood
Plantago debilis	6 Dec 2016	BettyDonWood
Plantago gaudichaudii	19 Nov 2016	JanetRussell

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8 comments

BettyDonWood wrote:

20 Nov 2016

Probably OK. However, from what I can see, the leaves appear to have more than the three veins typical of Plantsgo gaudichaudii. Janet, plantago is difficult to ID even holding the plant in the hand. Closeups of leaves, stem and flowers, plus field notes of the colour of the hairs at the bases of the leaves, would make it a lot easier.

JanetRussell wrote:

20 Nov 2016

Thanks Betty. This was a bit of a punt as it was taken on ANPS Conference trip to Kowen last year. I thought that the flowers seemed rather long. I saw some P. gaudichaudi in Victoria recently and have been interested in Plantago mainly because it seemed to take so long for me to find my first non-native.

JanetRussell wrote:

21 Nov 2016

Betty, I had a look at another photo and I checked Plantnet and if 3 veins are definitive, it looks more like Plantago varia. I cannot see enough detail to answer your questions to be any more definitive.

BettyDonWood wrote:

21 Nov 2016

The length:width ratio of the leaves is atypical for Plantago varia I am inclined to call it Plantago sp.

JanetRussell wrote:

22 Nov 2016

Andy has expressed an interest in going out to Kowen so will check it out.

BettyDonWood wrote:

22 Nov 2016

Great.

BettyDonWood wrote:

7 Dec 2016

Could you upload the extra photos you sent me to this sighting please. With the extra information in those photos it keys to Plantago debilis in both PlantNET and VicFlora. The hairy leaves and hairless keel on the flower sepals both indicate it is Plantago debilis. The flower spike in Plantago debilis can elongate to 30 cm according to Vicflora.
VicFlora https://vicflora.rbg.vic.gov.au/flora/taxon/7d485b7a-720d-422e-8a80-90dd5e6715ae

JanetRussell wrote:

7 Dec 2016

Thanks very much Betty. It's more robust than I thought the P. debilis would be!

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